Curtains, with respect (genuine respect, villabolo) colouring between the lines on political maps representing military treaty rights, particularly of nations that are completely sovereign, is not anything like a parallel depiction of empire, where sovereinty is assumed by the imperialist mother country. Big red Canada defied the US when it went on its ill-advised and illegal war on Iraq in 2003. Same goes for France, Greenland, New Zealand and other nations also coloured red on your map, who were promptly shat upon by the Bush administration. Not the same.
Lion Cask
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Is the American empire on the brink of collapse?
by slimboyfat inhistorian niall ferguson made some extended remarks recently arguing that the american empire may be closer to the edge than many suppose.. he starts out observing that while the fateful decline of american supremacy is now widely accepted, it is still generally expected that this will be a protracted process.
after all empires don't fall in a day.
rome took centuries to crumble did it not?
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Is the American empire on the brink of collapse?
by slimboyfat inhistorian niall ferguson made some extended remarks recently arguing that the american empire may be closer to the edge than many suppose.. he starts out observing that while the fateful decline of american supremacy is now widely accepted, it is still generally expected that this will be a protracted process.
after all empires don't fall in a day.
rome took centuries to crumble did it not?
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Lion Cask
What are you all doing here, on this board, with such vast knowledge at your disposal?
I'm retired, I'm entirely independent and I'm interested in other people who demonstrate the ability to think, even if, perhaps especially if, they don't agree with me. Mostly I'm here to learn all I can about the WTS so that I may become expert at debunking it. And, although you said not to, what are you doing here?
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Is the American empire on the brink of collapse?
by slimboyfat inhistorian niall ferguson made some extended remarks recently arguing that the american empire may be closer to the edge than many suppose.. he starts out observing that while the fateful decline of american supremacy is now widely accepted, it is still generally expected that this will be a protracted process.
after all empires don't fall in a day.
rome took centuries to crumble did it not?
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Lion Cask
The American Empire:
The British Empire
Notice any difference?
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Things that JUST DON'T MATTER . . .
by nicolaou indon't want this to turn into an irreligous rant, let's try to have a little fun .
things that just don't matter.
your neighbours religion.
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Things that JUST DON'T MATTER . . .
by nicolaou indon't want this to turn into an irreligous rant, let's try to have a little fun .
things that just don't matter.
your neighbours religion.
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Lion Cask
The length of your son's hair.
I'm jealous of my sons' hair. Not so much the length as the quantity.
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Is the American empire on the brink of collapse?
by slimboyfat inhistorian niall ferguson made some extended remarks recently arguing that the american empire may be closer to the edge than many suppose.. he starts out observing that while the fateful decline of american supremacy is now widely accepted, it is still generally expected that this will be a protracted process.
after all empires don't fall in a day.
rome took centuries to crumble did it not?
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Lion Cask
Interesting that you cite Dr. Stokes, Curtains. Another Brit who putting it mildly is not one of America's greatest fans. He's made an academic career of attacking US foreign policy. To quote a great American essayist, Dr. Stokes "who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you are saying." (Ralph Waldo Emerson).
But I respect your opinion, and slimboyfat's, too. You both could very well be proven right, but so far you are not.
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Things that JUST DON'T MATTER . . .
by nicolaou indon't want this to turn into an irreligous rant, let's try to have a little fun .
things that just don't matter.
your neighbours religion.
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antimatter
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Things that JUST DON'T MATTER . . .
by nicolaou indon't want this to turn into an irreligous rant, let's try to have a little fun .
things that just don't matter.
your neighbours religion.
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Lion Cask
Being a pretentious smart arse on this forum....
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Is the American empire on the brink of collapse?
by slimboyfat inhistorian niall ferguson made some extended remarks recently arguing that the american empire may be closer to the edge than many suppose.. he starts out observing that while the fateful decline of american supremacy is now widely accepted, it is still generally expected that this will be a protracted process.
after all empires don't fall in a day.
rome took centuries to crumble did it not?
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Lion Cask
Oh the hubris of ascendancy. Here in the UK we are a bit more cynical, after all we were the number one empire not so very long ago.
Poetic, slimboyfat, but hubris? America is indeed proud, but it hasn't fallen yet. And I don't see close parallels between the UK and the US. The UK had a true world empire, built with brutality, oppression, slavery and seizure. You might say the same thing about the beginnings of the United States, but then again the beginnings of the United States were British, after all. The sun never set on the Union Jack, but the Stars and Stripes are much less ubiquitous. The BE collapsed because it depended on the spoils of conquest and empire and it was spread out so thinly that it could not sustain itself when stretched by world war and coincident revolutionary activity within its conquered lands and territories. The dynamic at play in America is different in many respects, primarily because it is internal. Is it an empire? No. Is it the premier world power? Yes. Will it stay that way? No. But will it collapse? No.
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Is the American empire on the brink of collapse?
by slimboyfat inhistorian niall ferguson made some extended remarks recently arguing that the american empire may be closer to the edge than many suppose.. he starts out observing that while the fateful decline of american supremacy is now widely accepted, it is still generally expected that this will be a protracted process.
after all empires don't fall in a day.
rome took centuries to crumble did it not?
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Lion Cask
This is the perspective of someone who is not an American.
To answer the question, no, it is not. It is, however, clearly in crisis, and on more than one front. Notwithstanding that America doesn't fit the description of empire it has worst case options that empires do not have - retrenchment and entrenchment in particular. If America becomes Fortress America, as will undoubtedly be the case should its world presense become untenable, it will with cooperative allies like Canada (which is the US's single greatest supplier of foreign oil and is the US's single largest trading partner and whose economy is robust) seek to reinvent itself. There are huge reservoirs of resources within the borders of the United States, not the least of which is grey matter. American ingenuity is more than just a cliché. The country is going through a painful time which I expect will get worse before it gets better, and it has seemingly insurmountable debt issues, but it is also the proudest, most patriotic (almost to the point of absurdity) nation on earth. It will tighten its belt, it will demand more of its citizens, it will forfeit much of its role on the world stage to emerging superpowers like India and China, but it will not collapse.
